Who is the CEO of the Premier League? If you're English, you may know. If your a non-English football fan, there's a slim chance you might know. I know, because a couple of years ago he had the stupid "39th game" idea. He was in the news for floating a business idea which was badly received. He then disappeared into the background, where CEO's belong, returning to the news only occassionaly to discuss important but tedious business stuff like club debt and league sponsorship.
Who is the CEO of MLG? Yeah, that's a rhetorical question: of course you know that it's Sundance -- self-professed THAT guy. His every tweet cries "look at me," every forum post scerams "look how similar we are; love me." This is a guy who should be in the background making business decisions and dealing with sponsors but here he is making drunk forum posts and begging for our attention. At the risk of sounding pretentious, it's all very undignified.
In fairness, most English men are brought up to automatically distrust authority figures like Sundance. Maybe it's because we're used to the bungling figures that represent our sports, and our dishonest, money-grubbing politicians. With that in mind, perhaps i'm being unkind - judging him on the basis of other people. But on the other hand, he makes himself so easy to hate. He would undoubtedly spin it as being a "love me or hate me, that's who I am" figure, but, realistically, he's just an irritating attention whore. The face of a sports league should be its players, not its CEO.
This issue is much broader and deeper than just MLG, however. My ESFI comrade keeker made a similar point about commentatorslast week. The fact is that esports has become a huge dick-waving contest, played out via livestream by a bunch of egotistical bores. I could quite happily live my entire without knowing what Day9's three-day stubble looks like but I will never have that opporunity, thanks to the "look at me" nature of the Day9 Daily. Personal and intimate, sure, but that's not what I want from analysis. I want, er, analysis.
To put it bluntly, esports should be about computer games. I want to tune into a Starcraft stream and watch Stracraft matches, not listen to crappy jokes from a couple of guys in t-shirts and blazers. Esports as a whole has its priorities all wrong and continues to show the real reason why the word "esport" is so inappropriate. The focus has shifted away from any real sporting action and onto the supporting characters.
Oh, yeah, here's my inspiration for today's rant.
Showing posts with label esports. Show all posts
Showing posts with label esports. Show all posts
Tuesday, 6 September 2011
Tuesday, 2 August 2011
I could be your hero, baby!
Before I get into today's rant, i want to make clear that as a commentator, i have a lot of respect for djWHEAT. If you've read my blogs about commentators in the past, you'll know that's high praise indeed. However, as a self-professed knight in shining armor here to save esports, presumably via talking a lot, he is sorely lacking.
Esports history became, if not a hot topic this weekend, then at least a lukewarm one. An excellent, if narrow in perspective, thread popped up on TL, giving a brief rundown of some of the salient points in the story of our fledgling sport. One comment particularly piqued my interest:
On August 01 2011 18:27 djWHEAT wrote:
This is great. I would love to work with the OP to add some awesome detail to this.
It's a great start but even as I read it I realise so much is missing (not necessarily absolute have to have facts, but interesting things fans would lobe to know!!)
Now, lets be clear: djWHEAT has been around for an awfully long time. I don't doubt the fact that he could contribute useful insight to this kind of thread. But the question is, where to begin? Maybe he could contribute some of his righteous fury about the CGS. You know, the league he worked for and was handsomely paid by? CGS is a very important lesson, and who better to tell us about it than one of its most important broadcasters? He could tell us how awful it was getting paid tidy sums to talk about computer games.
Of course, the most important thing about history is to learn the lessons from it for the future. Again, djWHEAT's esports crusade comes to the fore:
@djWHEAT
Throwing money at something does not yield guarantee success. This Valve DotA2 thing is marketing. Don't call it anything else.
Fellow historians and oldskoolers will remember some league or other a few years ago that tried to throw money at games to guarantee success. In fact, those games were far less popular than DoTA. What was it called? Oh, yes... CGS. And who was their main commentator? It couldn't be djWHEAT could it? It could! Who better to lead us into the battle against throwing money at a problem than the public face of the biggest waste of money in esports history?
Now, lets just hire Fatal1ty to tirade against over-exposure and we're set.
Esports history became, if not a hot topic this weekend, then at least a lukewarm one. An excellent, if narrow in perspective, thread popped up on TL, giving a brief rundown of some of the salient points in the story of our fledgling sport. One comment particularly piqued my interest:
On August 01 2011 18:27 djWHEAT wrote:
This is great. I would love to work with the OP to add some awesome detail to this.
It's a great start but even as I read it I realise so much is missing (not necessarily absolute have to have facts, but interesting things fans would lobe to know!!)
Now, lets be clear: djWHEAT has been around for an awfully long time. I don't doubt the fact that he could contribute useful insight to this kind of thread. But the question is, where to begin? Maybe he could contribute some of his righteous fury about the CGS. You know, the league he worked for and was handsomely paid by? CGS is a very important lesson, and who better to tell us about it than one of its most important broadcasters? He could tell us how awful it was getting paid tidy sums to talk about computer games.
Of course, the most important thing about history is to learn the lessons from it for the future. Again, djWHEAT's esports crusade comes to the fore:
@djWHEAT
Throwing money at something does not yield guarantee success. This Valve DotA2 thing is marketing. Don't call it anything else.
Fellow historians and oldskoolers will remember some league or other a few years ago that tried to throw money at games to guarantee success. In fact, those games were far less popular than DoTA. What was it called? Oh, yes... CGS. And who was their main commentator? It couldn't be djWHEAT could it? It could! Who better to lead us into the battle against throwing money at a problem than the public face of the biggest waste of money in esports history?
Now, lets just hire Fatal1ty to tirade against over-exposure and we're set.
Wednesday, 27 July 2011
Facts? Bah, i run a team, who needs facts?
Strap yourselves in kids, this is a long ride. I make no promises about the quality or coherence of this, since i wrote it in about an hour this morning. Still, i think the points are valid, and there is even more to criticise from the mentioned article but it was getting a bit long, even for my own self-indulgence.
It’s not often that I get annoyed about esports media but… okay, that’s a lie, but the latest piece from IGN’s esports division would make a saint swear. At least, a saint who knew about esports. So let’s break it down, quote by uninformed quote.
What prevents the publication of eSports contracts is the lack of collective bargaining between players unions, ownership and the leagues in which players play.
What is this collective bargaining supposed to be; a bunch of players going with their friend to the contract negotiations? A player’s union would be great, but is probably a long way away and the leagues have no say in this whatsoever. The likes of GSL and IPL could ban players or teams who renege on their contractual responsibilities, but the chances of that are slime. Imagine if IPL were put in a position where Idra was breaking the terms of his contract with EG. Can you really imagine IGN removing one of their star names from the league? Ideally: yes, realistically: no.
There are many positives to publicizing team contracts. The greatest benefit is the resultant transparency. If the salary and duration of player contracts become public knowledge, it would change the landscape of competitive gaming completely.
This kind of happened in WC3, and basically caused the death of MYM and the shrinking of SK because players felt they deserved higher wages. There isn’t enough money to go around to pay every half-decent player while the elite would be able to demand far more. Of course, people so embedded in the SC2 bubble can’t be expected to know that things happen in other esports games, right?
Players violate the terms of their contract all the time, and the general public has no idea.
Yep, fine. This is a reason for more transparency but lets not forget that teams do the same thing. There is a noticeable bias in this article, ignoring the fact that teams are also culpable when they enter into a contract. I suppose this is understandable coming from a team owner but it is important to remember the numerous historical examples of players complaining about not being paid or not receiving prize money.
The biggest benefit of publically accessible contracts would be a universal free agency period. If StarCraft II had a free agency period between December and January when contracts were set to expire and there were not many tournaments, it would be a great opportunity for new teams to form super teams and become power players in the scene. Currently, major paradigm shifts are not possible as teams have to wait throughout the year for numerous player contracts to expire and sign players one at a time.
Holy long sentence, Batman!
Firstly, “super teams” are notoriously bad for competition, as anyone who actually knows about sports would be able to tell you. Look at Man United’s domination of the Premier League, or Barca and Real’s lockdown on the Spanish league.
Even more ignorance: players can be bought out of a contract. I’m fairly sure this is true in any line of employment, but it is definitely true in sports and esports (SK bought Delpan’s contract from Fnatic, for example). This is where transfer fees come from in the first place! I can’t even believe this mind-boggling lack of knowledge was allowed past the editors: a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
To clarify: “major paradigm shifts” are perfectly possible now. It simply requires a new team with deep pockets to come along and buy the contracts of a bunch of star players – like MYM did in WC3. The fact that a team owner isn’t aware of this is, frankly, baffling.
Now, granted, the idea of artificially levelling the playing field via a draft period is very American. I can understand why a baseball fan would support the idea. But putting every player’s contract up for bidding at an arbitrary point in time (esports leagues run year round, so there is no real “off season” like in traditional sports) would not solve the super team problem. It would merely create a cycle where the most successful team would be able to outbid other teams for the best players, therefore becoming the most successful team for the new season, therefore having the most money by next season.
The issue of contracts has literally nothing to do with whether or not they are public. It has everything to do with the ability to enforce them. Sure, the more vain players might feel bad if his fans know he isn’t honouring his contract, but most players won’t give a shit. I feel like the author is being unbelievably naïve if he thinks that players will fulfil their stipulated roles just because a bunch of nerds know about them.
Realistically, the problem is a lack of a central governing body. The reason “free agency” wouldn’t work is because leagues view each other as competitors and there is no unified off-season. Who is going to organise this draft, for starters? It works in Baseball because of the MLB. Similarly, the lack of a governing body means that contracts are very difficult to enforce. Sure, a legally binding contract can be taken to court but it is usually only beneficial for a player who is seeking unpaid wages. A team who take a player to court are unlikely to come out ahead unless they have been caused loss of earnings by a player – a pretty unlikely scenario.
Again, this ties into the lack of unification. Imagine the hypothetical Idra/EG scenario from earlier. Lets say that IPL does ban Idra from the current season for failing to fulfil his contracts. NASL now sees a chance to one-up their competitor in terms of star power and allows him to continue playing. Now IPL have taken the moral high ground but realistically they have just hurt themselves by losing one of their most famous players.
Only under a unified governing body can contracts really mean anything in sport. The real reason contracts work in other sports is because player punishments are handed out by a body which controls every competition in that country, or even the world, in extreme cases.
Ironically, IGN staff should be well aware of a third option: leagues tying players into contracts directly. Since CGS was basically a failed precursor to IPL, run by the same media empire, surely they should know about this alternative. Of course, that league failed miserably, and when a couple of Brazilian players got banned for attending a CS 1.6 LAN that wasn’t run by CGS they simply returned to playing 1.6 in the multitude of other leagues.
This time around, IPL has tried to integrate itself into the community, rather than assimilate the community like CGS did. But the fact that people who apparently have no idea about esports’ history are allowed to write articles like this for their website is deeply ironic. Contracts are part of the “legitimizing esports” pie, but a larger part of it is hiring people who can actually do their job. Or, at least, hiring people who have some idea what they’re talking about.
Monday, 11 July 2011
Esports Entertainment (TM)
I finally finished a column for ESFI World that should be going online within the next 24 hours. Finally! Writer's block is a bitch. But being one of the few writers in esports who has actually studied journalism (toot, toot!), i like to keep my columns to a word limit. That means there are things i have to trim, or just cut entirely, which was part of the reason i made this blog in the first place. With that in mind, today we're going to talk about tits.
When i was ten or 11, i watched WWF, as it was still called, because i enjoyed it and because i didn't know any better. By the time i was 13, i watched it because of Trish Stratus and Torrie Wilson and, especially, because of Chocolate Pudding matches and Gravy Bowl matches. Now that i'm almost 26, i obviously don't watch it at all, but this weekend i did watch NASL.
It would be hypocritical of me to criticise NASL for using attractive women as interviewers. I'm a guy, i like to look at attractive women, and yes, InControl's girlfriend is hot. But the fact that Anna and her friend were the most useless interviewers i've ever seen (and i've seen a lot of terrible interviews) made the whole spectacle very unedifying. At least that Korean woman from GSL appears to have a clue (not that I speak Korean, so i could be wrong). I can't decide whether it's better or worse than just having half-dressed women standing around á la CGS. On the one hand, at least Anna and Co. were contributing something, rather than being pure eye candy. But on the other, someone with experience or a modicum of talent could have done the same thing with bimbos still fulfilling their main task.
Just to be clear, though. I'm not implying that esports is going the way of WWF: a faux-sport for kids and mentally-backwards adults. But the fact that NASL felt the need to bring along some T 'n' A is pretty worrying. It gives me the impression that they lack confidence in their product - for want of a better term. As if people wouldn't want to just watch some awesome SC2 action. Or, worse still, maybe they roped-in InControl's girlfriend and her friend because they worked for free and NASL's supposed financial problems are worse than expected. Either way, it was pretty cringe-worthy to watch Mrs. Excellent this weekend. Cringe-worthy and slightly arousing.
When i was ten or 11, i watched WWF, as it was still called, because i enjoyed it and because i didn't know any better. By the time i was 13, i watched it because of Trish Stratus and Torrie Wilson and, especially, because of Chocolate Pudding matches and Gravy Bowl matches. Now that i'm almost 26, i obviously don't watch it at all, but this weekend i did watch NASL.
It would be hypocritical of me to criticise NASL for using attractive women as interviewers. I'm a guy, i like to look at attractive women, and yes, InControl's girlfriend is hot. But the fact that Anna and her friend were the most useless interviewers i've ever seen (and i've seen a lot of terrible interviews) made the whole spectacle very unedifying. At least that Korean woman from GSL appears to have a clue (not that I speak Korean, so i could be wrong). I can't decide whether it's better or worse than just having half-dressed women standing around á la CGS. On the one hand, at least Anna and Co. were contributing something, rather than being pure eye candy. But on the other, someone with experience or a modicum of talent could have done the same thing with bimbos still fulfilling their main task.
Just to be clear, though. I'm not implying that esports is going the way of WWF: a faux-sport for kids and mentally-backwards adults. But the fact that NASL felt the need to bring along some T 'n' A is pretty worrying. It gives me the impression that they lack confidence in their product - for want of a better term. As if people wouldn't want to just watch some awesome SC2 action. Or, worse still, maybe they roped-in InControl's girlfriend and her friend because they worked for free and NASL's supposed financial problems are worse than expected. Either way, it was pretty cringe-worthy to watch Mrs. Excellent this weekend. Cringe-worthy and slightly arousing.
Sunday, 10 July 2011
Commentary Pro tips
Here are some pearls of wisdom for aspiring SC2 commentators, coming from a vastly experienced guy who casted two games with Special Endrey once.
WC3 players: If one of the players you are commenting on happens to be an ex-WC3 player, don't forget to mention that he has excellent mincro. People on the internet are stupid and have very shorty memories, so they will likely have forgotten the last time you mentioned that a WC3 player has good micro. Point it out even if they don't have particularly great micro, because how could they possibly be good at the game without having great micro, right?
All players are excellent: Never forget to mention that every player you commentate on is very good. Just because you're commenting on the best league in the strongest esports country in the world doesn't mean that calling the players "very good" is redundant. Even if you're discussing the first round of an open tournament, there's 50/50 chance that Meg@Sn!per.X is "very good," right?
Leery/Weary/Wary: Despite these words meaning completely different things, to a commentator they are 100% interchangable, especially if you are Day9.
Vocabulary: Are you the type of person who thinks long words are hard to say? Do you not really know very many words to begin with? Good news: esports commentary is definitely for you! Long words take up too much time - precious time which could be spent yelling "ohhhhhhh!" People can already see what's going on on-screen, why would they want you to talk about the game?
WC3 players: If one of the players you are commenting on happens to be an ex-WC3 player, don't forget to mention that he has excellent mincro. People on the internet are stupid and have very shorty memories, so they will likely have forgotten the last time you mentioned that a WC3 player has good micro. Point it out even if they don't have particularly great micro, because how could they possibly be good at the game without having great micro, right?
All players are excellent: Never forget to mention that every player you commentate on is very good. Just because you're commenting on the best league in the strongest esports country in the world doesn't mean that calling the players "very good" is redundant. Even if you're discussing the first round of an open tournament, there's 50/50 chance that Meg@Sn!per.X is "very good," right?
Leery/Weary/Wary: Despite these words meaning completely different things, to a commentator they are 100% interchangable, especially if you are Day9.
Vocabulary: Are you the type of person who thinks long words are hard to say? Do you not really know very many words to begin with? Good news: esports commentary is definitely for you! Long words take up too much time - precious time which could be spent yelling "ohhhhhhh!" People can already see what's going on on-screen, why would they want you to talk about the game?
Friday, 20 May 2011
Kicking back on memory lane
Nostalgia, eh? If you never heard about the Deadman/Ownswitch situation back when both guys were in SK, you're in for a treat. If you were around the scene back then, well... sit back and remember one of the most hillarious incidents in esports history...
"For those who are interested in the situation between me and ownitsch, I am writing the story. When we were driving to Hamburg from Cologne (ownitsch was the driver), I had to smoke a cigarette because it’s a bit annoying to be stuck on the road when no cars are moving and everyone is waiting. I even opened a window so I won’t disturb anyone but ownitsch told me to stop smoking.I told him, “no, I need to smoke that cigarette!” He then stopped the car like crazy, stepped out of the driver’s seat, walked to the other side of the car, opened my door, and took my cigarette out of my hand (in bad manner). I walked off from the car and asked him why he was doing this, and kicked him in the body (because I can’t accept those bad manners from him, which he commited by removing my cigarette from my hand).
After we had arrived at the hotel, gues what happened? Ownitsch told me that I will be flying home tomorrow and told me to stay here. I was like “wtf” ownitsch, why are you doing this? At the hotel I was taking another cigarette to smoke because I couldn’t believe what he told me, then after I smoked I came to him and asked him if I will be flying home tomorrow. Guess what happened? He just gave the room card. I was like “wtf” again and went to my room but I couldn’t sleep because tomorrow was going to be the wc3l finals but ownitsch didn’t tell me anything (what time it was going to be etc). So I was knocking on the other players’ doors but nobody opened them and then after some time ownitsch appeared. I was asking him “what happened, where have you been?” Guess what? He told me to go eat and didn’t even explain anything to me. After that I was really thinking about flying home and told him that, but he was acting bad manned again and I was like “wtf!” He just closed the door to my face.
I told myself “enough of this shit” and left to the reception. So they called ownitsch’s room and asked him to come downstairs. There I could ask him again if I will be playing or flying back the next day, but he was acting bad mannered again so I kicked him in the face. After that, inso kicked me in the face and said something about my mother so I in return kicked him (with my leg). After that we left to the rooms to go to sleep. The day after ownitsch told me that I will be flying back and called the police, the police took me away from the hotel and I had to be outside. And then I had to go to the PC club to look for the address of the wc3l finals. By the time I arrived there I was off the team. Then I had to give an interview and had to pay for a flight from Hamburg to to Kalinigrad to Moscow for 400 euro."
--Deadman, formerly of SK.
"For those who are interested in the situation between me and ownitsch, I am writing the story. When we were driving to Hamburg from Cologne (ownitsch was the driver), I had to smoke a cigarette because it’s a bit annoying to be stuck on the road when no cars are moving and everyone is waiting. I even opened a window so I won’t disturb anyone but ownitsch told me to stop smoking.I told him, “no, I need to smoke that cigarette!” He then stopped the car like crazy, stepped out of the driver’s seat, walked to the other side of the car, opened my door, and took my cigarette out of my hand (in bad manner). I walked off from the car and asked him why he was doing this, and kicked him in the body (because I can’t accept those bad manners from him, which he commited by removing my cigarette from my hand).
After we had arrived at the hotel, gues what happened? Ownitsch told me that I will be flying home tomorrow and told me to stay here. I was like “wtf” ownitsch, why are you doing this? At the hotel I was taking another cigarette to smoke because I couldn’t believe what he told me, then after I smoked I came to him and asked him if I will be flying home tomorrow. Guess what happened? He just gave the room card. I was like “wtf” again and went to my room but I couldn’t sleep because tomorrow was going to be the wc3l finals but ownitsch didn’t tell me anything (what time it was going to be etc). So I was knocking on the other players’ doors but nobody opened them and then after some time ownitsch appeared. I was asking him “what happened, where have you been?” Guess what? He told me to go eat and didn’t even explain anything to me. After that I was really thinking about flying home and told him that, but he was acting bad manned again and I was like “wtf!” He just closed the door to my face.
I told myself “enough of this shit” and left to the reception. So they called ownitsch’s room and asked him to come downstairs. There I could ask him again if I will be playing or flying back the next day, but he was acting bad mannered again so I kicked him in the face. After that, inso kicked me in the face and said something about my mother so I in return kicked him (with my leg). After that we left to the rooms to go to sleep. The day after ownitsch told me that I will be flying back and called the police, the police took me away from the hotel and I had to be outside. And then I had to go to the PC club to look for the address of the wc3l finals. By the time I arrived there I was off the team. Then I had to give an interview and had to pay for a flight from Hamburg to to Kalinigrad to Moscow for 400 euro."
--Deadman, formerly of SK.
Sunday, 1 May 2011
2010: the year esports begun... fuck off
A quote from a recent article on the NASL site:
"I should preface my article by noting that despite being a writer for the NASL, I am and have long been an E-sports fan, watching IGN, GSL, and TSL in addition to the NASL this last week and the weeks before."
I have somewhat warmed to the NASL over recent weeks. Their obvious shortcomings are overcome by having the most interesting roster of players (I guess the insipid means were justified by the ends, even if they did invent a pseudo team just to get round their own rules and allow Grubby in). But the sentence above is what pisses me off about esports right now... okay, one of the things that pisses me off. Watching GSL does not make you 'long an e-sports fan' - GSL started like six fucking months ago.
This constant ignorance of Western esports before the advent of SC2 is as infuriating as it is depressing. Now, maybe this Brandon Garrett character was at CPL Babbages in 2001 or something and he just didn't think that sentence through - in that case I apologise - but it's indicative of a wider trend. I don't want to sound like one of Tasteless' much-maligned Hipster Nerds, but Western esports has been going for a long time. Just because it wasn't on the level of Korea doesn't mean it never existed. Is the NASL (you know, the other one) invalid because it isn't La Liga or the Premiership?
Yes, we've probably never had it better than we do right now on a lot of levels, but one should never forget one's roots. Then again, maybe it just annoys me because i wasted 10 years of my life on CS, WC3, WoW, SC2 and so on, but the fact that i was able to waste eight of those years writing about it that proves that this shit about esports just beginning is just that: shit.
"I should preface my article by noting that despite being a writer for the NASL, I am and have long been an E-sports fan, watching IGN, GSL, and TSL in addition to the NASL this last week and the weeks before."
I have somewhat warmed to the NASL over recent weeks. Their obvious shortcomings are overcome by having the most interesting roster of players (I guess the insipid means were justified by the ends, even if they did invent a pseudo team just to get round their own rules and allow Grubby in). But the sentence above is what pisses me off about esports right now... okay, one of the things that pisses me off. Watching GSL does not make you 'long an e-sports fan' - GSL started like six fucking months ago.
This constant ignorance of Western esports before the advent of SC2 is as infuriating as it is depressing. Now, maybe this Brandon Garrett character was at CPL Babbages in 2001 or something and he just didn't think that sentence through - in that case I apologise - but it's indicative of a wider trend. I don't want to sound like one of Tasteless' much-maligned Hipster Nerds, but Western esports has been going for a long time. Just because it wasn't on the level of Korea doesn't mean it never existed. Is the NASL (you know, the other one) invalid because it isn't La Liga or the Premiership?
Yes, we've probably never had it better than we do right now on a lot of levels, but one should never forget one's roots. Then again, maybe it just annoys me because i wasted 10 years of my life on CS, WC3, WoW, SC2 and so on, but the fact that i was able to waste eight of those years writing about it that proves that this shit about esports just beginning is just that: shit.
Friday, 28 January 2011
Carmac talks about IEM Europe
So, the dust has settled on the IEM European finals. Sjow won the SC2 tournament in highly impressive fashion and I think people want to know what a Bronze league player thinks about his performance.
Carmac: Well, as a bronze league player I'm not completely sure how excellent he was, but it definitely looked erm... good from my perspective.
White-ra had been seeminly infallible in recent weeks and maintained that form right the way to the finals of IEM Europe. Did you see any faults in his play in the final, or was it all about Sjow's excellence?
Carmac: As a bronze league player it's difficult to criticize a player like White-ra. Certainly, erm... he's better than me. But i think you should come back tomorrow and ask a pro gamer because i'm only erm... only a bronze league player
What do you think was the difference between the two players?
Carmac: As you know, erm... I'm only a bronze league player, but I think it was Sjow's control of erm... the Mega, no... Medivacs. The way he kept coole- erm... White-ra on his toes was highly impressive, and certainly not something you see in the bronze league.
Apart from Sjow, which players impressed you the most in Kiev?
Well, as a bronze league player, I was hugely impressed by everyone. Cloud's commentary was particularly erm... good when he replaced me, since I'm just a bronze league stand-in.
Thanks for your time.
Carmac: Well, as a bronze league player I'm not completely sure how excellent he was, but it definitely looked erm... good from my perspective.
White-ra had been seeminly infallible in recent weeks and maintained that form right the way to the finals of IEM Europe. Did you see any faults in his play in the final, or was it all about Sjow's excellence?
Carmac: As a bronze league player it's difficult to criticize a player like White-ra. Certainly, erm... he's better than me. But i think you should come back tomorrow and ask a pro gamer because i'm only erm... only a bronze league player
What do you think was the difference between the two players?
Carmac: As you know, erm... I'm only a bronze league player, but I think it was Sjow's control of erm... the Mega, no... Medivacs. The way he kept coole- erm... White-ra on his toes was highly impressive, and certainly not something you see in the bronze league.
Apart from Sjow, which players impressed you the most in Kiev?
Well, as a bronze league player, I was hugely impressed by everyone. Cloud's commentary was particularly erm... good when he replaced me, since I'm just a bronze league stand-in.
Thanks for your time.
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